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Bill "Soup" Zahn - GSRC

Formula 4 2nd Driver
Dec 13, 2016
114
206
Okay Lorrentz,


My bad. I forgot to add in the Okayama sprint race result, so that explains the big numbers mix-up. When I fixed that, your numbers and my numbers match up except for these 3 places.


Godin drop points: You drop 16 I drop zero

Tierney bonus points: You have 2 bonus points I have only 1

Imray Okayama Feature Total: You have 1 point I have zero.



Godin:
You show Godin at 158 after drops (174 - 16 = 158) I show him at 174 because I think with so many DNS his dropped race total is ZERO


Tierney
You show Tierney at 143, I have him at 142. You have him with 2 bonus points but I can only find 1.


Imray
Our after-drop race points match up at 139. But you give Imray 1 point for the feature race at Okayama, I give him 0, either way, that total is dropped.


About pocket points

It is the largest drop race total. It is the points a driver has “In His Pocket” that he can use if he needs it.

Knowing the pocket points are important for the commentators because we it tells us the worse case total for a driver.

For example, Takacs has 32 drop race points, BUT his pocket points are 18

If Takacs has a poor score at the finale, the commentators know he will at least get credit for 18 points and can score no worse than 306 (288 + 18 = 306)


Here is the new and improved graphic overlays for the season finale

Driver Points


Team Points (drop race totals)
 

Rin Hato

AOR Space Race Champion
Oct 17, 2016
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Huh?!? Haha

Kris has had 12 chances after next week to score good points while others had less. I don't see how that is a disadvantage for Kris :p
I guess so...

I suppose you could look at it as who can do the best in 10 races cause two will be discarded?
 

Kez

iRacing Coordinator
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iRacing Coordinator
Jan 13, 2014
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So it's better to do bad a couple of weeks to get the cheeky win?
Nope, as everybody is scored on their best 10 weeks (plus bonus points). Christian has had a better 10 events than Kris. In reality he leads the standings, even if the current one says otherwise (the current standings is only factoring in one drop round).
 

Gunar Nijenhuis

F1 1st Driver
Sep 2, 2015
613
820
I suppose you could look at it as who can do the best in 10 race
Yeah exactly, and the more chances you have to get 10 point scoring weeks, the better. So in the end it has only been an advantage for Kris to be able to drive every week. He basically had 2 screw-it-I-will-use-this-as-a-drop-week-race "weekends"

I still think that system doesn't really make sense though because it's very confusing.

In my opinion a drop week should be an actual week that you decide to drop beforehand, and not some kind of free pass to screw up two races or get 2 free extra chances to score points.
 
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Rin Hato

AOR Space Race Champion
Oct 17, 2016
1,137
994
Nope, as everybody is scored on their best 10 weeks (plus bonus points). Christian has had a better 10 events than Kris. In reality he leads the standings, even if the current one says otherwise (the current standings is only factoring in one drop round).
Yeah, I get it now. I've not dealt with drop week stuff much before so a bit I'm slow on the uptake.
 

Erti147

AOR Admin
Staff member
AOR Admin
Jan 14, 2014
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Imray Okayama Feature Total: You have 1 point I have zero.

Imray
Our after-drop race points match up at 139. But you give Imray 1 point for the feature race at Okayama, I give him 0, either way, that total is dropped.
Hey Bill - because I finished more than 75% of the race distance I got half points for 20th position, so 0.5 pt. If I had finished 90% of the race I would have gotten full points.

But yes either way that round gets dropped for me haha
 

Bill "Soup" Zahn - GSRC

Formula 4 2nd Driver
Dec 13, 2016
114
206
Here is how you can think about pocket points.
(GSRC is all about drama)


Let’s say in the feature race finale, Osterkamp crashes into Koch, they both score zero points.

Let’s also say in the sprint race finale, Osterkamp again crashes into Koch, again they both score zero.


Because Koch scored zero at the finale, that result would be dropped and Koch would get to use his pocket points, ending with a total of 304 (295 + 9 = 304)


However, because Osterkamp has more points in his pocket, things work out better for him. Osterkamp would finish the season with 310 points (292 + 18 = 310)


Only problem with the Osterkamp Crash Plan is Takacs who is in striking distance of both Koch and Osterkamp.
 

Bill "Soup" Zahn - GSRC

Formula 4 2nd Driver
Dec 13, 2016
114
206
Hey Bill - because I finished more than 75% of the race distance I got half points for 20th position, so 0.5 pt. If I had finished 90% of the race I would have gotten full points.

But yes either way that round gets dropped for me haha
Evan, I hear ya, but on the Okayama Feature Race result page from this web-site
https://apexonlineracing.com/community/pages/FormulaRenault20S5Results/

It does not give you credit for any points. But there is also a DRP placed there, and maybe that means something.
 

Christian Koch

AOR iRacing 2-time Formula Renault 2.0 Champion
Apr 5, 2016
190
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Here is how you can think about pocket points.
(GSRC is all about drama)


Let’s say in the feature race finale, Osterkamp crashes into Koch, they both score zero points.

Let’s also say in the sprint race finale, Osterkamp again crashes into Koch, again they both score zero.


Because Koch scored zero at the finale, that result would be dropped and Koch would get to use his pocket points, ending with a total of 304 (295 + 9 = 304)


However, because Osterkamp has more points in his pocket, things work out better for him. Osterkamp would finish the season with 310 points (292 + 18 = 310)


Only problem with the Osterkamp Crash Plan is Takacs who is in striking distance of both Koch and Osterkamp.
Don't provide others such a nasty strategy plan, don't...do that!!!111

;) ;) ;)


Well, i did miss VIR as my 2nd dropweek; rather surprised about how things worked out after Okayama now!
Kristian is still the guy to beat and Rene is a Monza specialist!

Imo the drop week rule is fair and comes in handy; you don't have to forget, that otherwise you would have to attend to 12 weeks in a row to get a chance foe the championship! Gunar has missed a race too much, but still has a chance mathematically; Next time he only misses one or two to get a realistic chance for his overdue title!
To have to choose beforehand if it should be a dropweek may take you out of the race beforehand, when suddenly anything happens to let you miss a race or two. 10 out of 12 is a good compromise in my opinion.
 

Erti147

AOR Admin
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Jan 14, 2014
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Evan, I hear ya, but on the Okayama Feature Race result page from this web-site
https://apexonlineracing.com/community/pages/FormulaRenault20S5Results/

It does not give you credit for any points. But there is also a DRP placed there, and maybe that means something.
Yeah DRP means its a dropped week ha

Yeah when we drop a week for someone, the points from there will change to 0 on the race results pages

If I undid the drop week, the points would reappear

Another example if you look at Road Atlanta feature race page, you'll see Martinsen has 0 points there because it's been dropped. It was originally 8 points as per the points system. :)

 

Lorrentz

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Jan 13, 2014
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Godin:
You show Godin at 158 after drops (174 - 16 = 158) I show him at 174 because I think with so many DNS his dropped race total is ZERO


Tierney
You show Tierney at 143, I have him at 142. You have him with 2 bonus points but I can only find 1.


Imray
Our after-drop race points match up at 139. But you give Imray 1 point for the feature race at Okayama, I give him 0, either way, that total is dropped.
good spot @Bill "Soup" Zahn - GSRC was completely exhausted after my eifel trip so I overlooked some of it :)

I have corrected JFG his drop weeks so he is on 174.

about Tierney...he scored 0x incident in both Okayama feature and sprintrace so he gets 2 bonus points.

about Imray he scored 1 point in Okayama feature race ( but since he completed 21 laps (not enough for 90% of the race) he scored only 0.5) but since it his his drop week anyways he will lose that half a point :)
 

Bill "Soup" Zahn - GSRC

Formula 4 2nd Driver
Dec 13, 2016
114
206
For next season, assuming GSRC is back again. Would the AOR consider three things?

1) Somebody, (Lorrentz?) start posting drop race results at race 3. Yes it is early, but telling a season long story works best if the fans see drop races results all season long.

2) One thread dedicated to post race penalties and point adjustments. Somewhere commentators can see at a glance what the stewards have been up to.

3) Make Team Drops calculated by team event total not not driver results. It would be much easier for the commentstors to report team standings that way. As it is now, there is little drama we can report because if both drivers have a bad race, we don't know if the team must live with the result, or if one or both drivers have good pocket points to fall back on.

Just suggestions, GSRC can make anything work but some things work better for broadcasts.
 

Bill "Soup" Zahn - GSRC

Formula 4 2nd Driver
Dec 13, 2016
114
206
Just a follow up on team drops. GSRC would consider adding to the pre-race show a graphic showing the event total for teams.

Which team won the previous event? Here it is fans, take a look.

But the graphic is only meaningful if that total is locked it. If one driver's result might be dropped later, than showing event results just isn't useful.
 
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